Thursday, February 16, 2006

Fed up!

Whilst writing a lengthy comment on “a working girl” a thought struck me to turn the comment into my second post. Well here it is.

There is an unspoken rule between me and my wife that when eating out we don’t eat out in Kedasia restaurants or the two dairy restaurants that S H citizens tend to populate. As we have no desire to meet Stamford Hillers when spending a romantic evening together.

Picture it you are sitting with your spouse in the “KOSHARA” restaurant a group of over sized ladies walk in with their massive hand bags noisily taking their seats. Feel the slight panic in the air whilst they tussle with their choices. Then squirm in your seat whilst each one of them takes a turn checking you out, this proves quite difficult for the ones seating with their back to you, however after much neck craning it dies down to just a few hushed whispers across the table.

Than you have the enlightened couples who are adventures enough to go out with their own spouse. Which by the way is no small deal, they are sitting across someone of the opposite sex. However instead of indulging in some small talk with their better half, most of their time is as well spent checking out every Hiemeshe guy is and of course making sure he knows his family tree as well.

Kashrus wise I don’t have any problem eating out in restaurants which are under beis din supervision. Apparently beis din are much more stringent with Mashgichim, as any restaurant under their supervision must have a full time Mashgiach employed on the premises. Whilst in Keddasia the Mashgichim allegedly pop in once in a blue moon.
However for some reason I will not buy beis din meat for use at home. Although I can’t give good reason for my view, perhaps I see it as something which do out of my home, like watching TV in hotel for example, whilst I would not have one at home. Or perhaps it’s just that instinct buried deep down by growing up in S H that beis din is trief?


  • Then you're an idiot if you can't shake that belief, beth din is way m ore hygienic, kedassia has been pulled up by health and safety way too many times. Plus kedassia chickens have way too much hair. ugh. It's a total fallacy, perhaps started by uohc because they want kedassia to profit. Personally, I shop in Menachems in Golders green or h gross and son, they have the cleanest tastiest stuff. My verdict:

    By Blogger kishmech, at 10:09 AM  

  • I love the post. Your point about eating beis din meat out but not at home is a bit like saying I keep kosher at home but not out the house. Surely it is a bit warped? Like where is G-d only in your house? and not in a restaurant or hotel?
    A hypocrite I am because I do as you, more out of respect for my guests and family whom I know would have issues with eating treif lol!!
    I guess in my case I don't feel the guy who is the mashgiach has been to mikveh that morning, has a 10 inch long beard (you get my drift)and thats what makes the food good enough - I know some workers at beis din and am duly impressed.
    One thing if you are chassidish and are in a beis din restaurant stop looking so guilty although i must say it is cute to see a chassidish couple out together in a "treif" establishment and they are looking so guilty I am sure it puts the spice in their marriage.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:11 AM  

  • Kishmech i so empathise those freaking kedassiah chickens are filthy, hairy much like their mashgichim :)

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:12 AM  

  • Do you still live in sh? if so I would be interested as to why?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:33 AM  

  • I have spoken to a schochet who used to work for kedassiah and beis din and let me tell you the stories he told me about kedassiah makes you question the whole aguda/shechita/kashrus and whatever else comes under that umbrella - needless to say if we are part of a community and send our kids to a community school where certain things are deemed acceptable and unacceptable then for their sake we have to conform or else we are giving them mixed messages. You don't want your kids peers not coming to your house because its not kosher enough or because of internet/tv.

    By Blogger am i bothered, at 11:23 AM  

  • Sometimes I am really thankful there are no restaurants in SH.

    People in the NW seem to spend the whole day eating. I have a friend who just moved to NW. He went on and on about how good the restaurants were. He came to specialise in checking out every new restaurant until he went bankrupt.

    Have you ever noticed how smug they are in GG about their restaurants. In their favour at least it can be said that one cannot doubt that they are Jews.

    You can tell how intelligent we in SH are (off course I am not including our women folk) from the ratio of bookshops to restaurants we have.

    In GG they have 30 restaurants to two bookshops. Whilst we have no restaurants to 6 bookshops.

    I sure feel smug now.

    By Blogger keZohar Harakia, at 4:47 PM  

  • kezohar harokia so the gg women have more time on their hands and are either in brent x or having lunch with friends (of course those who don't work) but i think the social aspect of is great - i guess u have to pick and chose the sh women making sure their kids clothing match and the gg women are lunching all day - it still doesn't address the issue of beis din v kedassia.
    Your friend chose to bankrupt himself by eating out as often as you claim. At least there are choices.

    By Blogger am i bothered, at 3:12 AM  

  • Joewish...missed your comment but I guess I see it in greater depth here!
    As an unmarried girl I have to follow my father's mehalach which is no Beis Din. Personally, after hearing many stories from trusted sources, I have come to see that there is little difference between Kedassia and Beis Din. In fact Kedassia are known to rely on Shomrei Shabbos owners while the Beis Din trust no-one. Hopefully, the person I marry will be able to choose by logic not tradition. But it seems Stamford Hillers find it harder to break from the inbuilt tradition....even when it may not be right.
    As I mention on my latest post...

    By Blogger exsemgirl, at 3:32 AM  

  • Kishmech, I wouldn’t know, I don’t prepare them.
    Anon 1, I feel you.
    Kezohar, still feeling smug?
    Am I bothered, valid point, as the saying goes when in Rome behave as the Romans do.
    Ex sem girl, thanks for the inspiration for this post.

    By Blogger joewish, at 3:10 AM  

  • Joeish - perhaps I am misinformed, but I am unaware of any Fleishig Kedasia restaurants (currently open) and there would be little difference in milchig hashgocho anyway - it is all Cholov Yisroel with Beis Din too.

    Sorry to break the news to you all, but I have been led to believe that not all Beis Din places have a full time mashgiach - it is actually based on whether the restaurant owner is a trustworthy yori shomayim. If he/she is, then a mashgiach will only pop in once in a while, but also depends on what is being sold/produced.

    Sorry to disillusion you Kish, but as of over a year ago, H Gross is Keddasia! (I think Menachams is too.)

    If you trust the B.D. meat, then you should also bring it into your home but I understand that people who would, would also find it then hard to invite guests over who only eat Keddasia.

    Kezohar - I have never noticed how people in GG are smug about the restaurants - it is where most of them are, so if you wanted to eat out, that is where you'd need to go. Also, there are actually more than 6 bookshops in Golders (and less than 30 restaurants).

    By Blogger G Green, at 4:12 AM  

  • whilst we are on the subject of food - where can one buy a decent kokosh like those you find in williamsburg. U know the ones i mean with the millions of layers with gooey chocolate?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 5:37 AM  

  • Try Egg Stores in Stamford Hill, or Kays in Golders Green.

    By Anonymous a jew in london, at 6:31 AM  

  • a jew in london it still doesnt come close to the real thing.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:39 AM  

  • Ggreen - i knew h gross was kedassia, it's about hte only kedassia butcher that takes of the hair and feathers, But menachems is definitely beth din and Chalak bet yosef ( sefardi hechsher, which is extremely strict so if anyone doesnt eat that but chooses kedassia instead, is just a racist bastard!) Menachems is the best and i've tried out butchers all over London!!

    By Blogger kishmech, at 7:42 AM  

  • not only are the kedassia butchers dirty but have you seen the prices compared to beis din ones?? how do they justify the prices?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:19 AM  

  • They justify their prices because they know they have a niche market. For some odd reason - like Kishmech said, there are those who will only buy Keddasia, independant of the price. Plus they also need to make some money from those few people.

    By Blogger G Green, at 3:28 PM  

  • just tried indigs kokosh and they are mm mm good but not quite there yet.....

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:45 AM  

  • Kedassia = mafia and apparently Rabbi Schneebalg stood up to them and told them where to stick their hechsher. More politely of course. I think kedassia is worried satmar will make their own hechsher and of course everyone will think they're stricter so they'll vote with their feet, so they tried to stop Rabbi Schneebalg......... Mafiosi.

    By Blogger kishmech, at 8:11 AM  

  • kishmech i agree with you - the more trusted hechsherim that open up and start their own productions like r'schneebalg the less control kedassia will have over all of us and the more choices we will have -

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:36 AM  

  • but if one company monopolises the competitiion there is no choice.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 4:09 AM  

  • I feel very ignorant but where is S.H.?

    By Blogger FrumGirl, at 6:28 PM  


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